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  • Vehicle Classing for 2013 Canadian Autoslalom Championship Presented by Toyo Tires

    With just over a month until the 2013 Canadian AutoSlalom Championship, I thought it might be helpful to start a thread for vehicle classification. If you are unsure which class your car should be in, please post here. Just a friendly reminder, it is your responsibility as a competitor to properly class your car. As always, feel free to email me if you have any questions.

    Avril
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    Avril Morrison
    2014 VCMC Treasurer
    2013 Canadian Autoslalom Championship Event Chair
    2013 VCMC Competition Director
    2012 SCCA CML National Champion

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    Re: Vehicle Classing for 2013 Canadian Autoslalom Championship Presented by Toyo Tire

    I plan on coming down for this event, its been about 5 years since I have raced. Other than my SMF receiving a different engine swap from last time I raced my civic my interior has changed. Roll bar has been added ,Front carpet has been removed, rear seat belts, some of the lower plastic's have been removed from the dash and the two plastics that clamshell around the steering coulom have been removed for a gauge cluster display. If I take care of everything I would assume I will be easily legal.

    My only concern is my gauge cluster display Its a big feat to remove all the wiring and such for an event like this.

    Any thoughts. I know people can be picky even in a what I think LOOSE class street Mod is.
    Here a pick https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

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    • #3
      Re: Vehicle Classing for 2013 Canadian Autoslalom Championship Presented by Toyo Tire

      I'm not super familiar with SM* rules, but I think it largely depends on how much the deleted plastic weighs and whether it was the minimum that needed to be removed to install the gauges.
      Racing: It's not just for rich idiots. It's for all idiots.

      Carol
      Porsche 997 C2
      Subaru BRZ

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      • #4
        Re: Vehicle Classing for 2013 Canadian Autoslalom Championship Presented by Toyo Tire

        well is heavier than the original plastic's

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        • #5
          Re: Vehicle Classing for 2013 Canadian Autoslalom Championship Presented by Toyo Tire

          Sounds like it fits the rules in spirit, but maybe not to the letter. I suppose someone could be lame enough to protest, and depending on the steward, you could be penalized. However, it's not something you'd be DSQ'd for. If it were me, I'd make a reasonable effort to put as much plastic back in and make sure I was well above min weight. At recent tours, I think people spoke to the other competitors and offered to run a full tank of fuel as a weight penalty.
          Racing: It's not just for rich idiots. It's for all idiots.

          Carol
          Porsche 997 C2
          Subaru BRZ

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          • #6
            Re: Vehicle Classing for 2013 Canadian Autoslalom Championship Presented by Toyo Tire

            I wouldn't worry so much about the gauge cluster around the steering wheel.. It fits more the spirit of Street Mod.. But I would try and instal the front carpets and as much of the plastics as possible...
            88 multi colourd 323..
            Dubbed "the junk" *retired*

            88 323 GTX
            *Sold *

            92 V6 swapped 323
            looks ugly/goes like stink!

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            • #7
              Re: Vehicle Classing for 2013 Canadian Autoslalom Championship Presented by Toyo Tire

              1988 jdm supra

              hey I was told before because Im JDM I am automatically in ssm how ever at the autox 5 there were other right hand drives but they were in sm.
              Regardless, the interior carpet is out, but door panels, dash gauge cluster is all still stock, coilovers, swapped to a domestic version of the engine but still a supra motor and lastly I have a lightened fly wheel.

              Any help is appreciated.

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              • #8
                Re: Vehicle Classing for 2013 Canadian Autoslalom Championship Presented by Toyo Tire

                Originally posted by Nic View Post
                1988 jdm supra

                hey I was told before because Im JDM I am automatically in ssm how ever at the autox 5 there were other right hand drives but they were in sm.
                Regardless, the interior carpet is out, but door panels, dash gauge cluster is all still stock, coilovers, swapped to a domestic version of the engine but still a supra motor and lastly I have a lightened fly wheel.

                Any help is appreciated.
                They are classed wrong...
                88 multi colourd 323..
                Dubbed "the junk" *retired*

                88 323 GTX
                *Sold *

                92 V6 swapped 323
                looks ugly/goes like stink!

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                • #9
                  Re: Vehicle Classing for 2013 Canadian Autoslalom Championship Presented by Toyo Tire

                  Originally posted by crazycanadian View Post
                  They are classed wrong...
                  Is that because Canadian rules bump RHD cars directly to SSM?
                  Ryan

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                  • #10
                    Re: Vehicle Classing for 2013 Canadian Autoslalom Championship Presented by Toyo Tire

                    Originally posted by Ryan C View Post
                    Is that because Canadian rules bump RHD cars directly to SSM?
                    We go by scca rules.. It has nothing to do with being in Canada.. here is the ruling quoted from the SCCA rule book...

                    16.0.C. Vehicle Eligibility
                    1.Street Modified
                    (SM):
                    All sedans/coupes (models which were originally equipped with a
                    minimum of four seats and four factory seat belts, not sports car
                    based).

                    Chrysler: Neon, Stratus/Breeze
                    foRd: Contour, Escort, Probe, Mustang
                    geneRAl MotoRS: Cavalier, Sunfire, Camaro
                    hoNdA: Civic, Accord, Integra
                    hyuNdAi: Elantra, Tiburon
                    MazdA: Protege, MX-6, 626
                    NiSSAN: Altima, Sentra
                    toyotA: Celica, Corolla, Camry
                    volkswAge: Golf, Jett

                    b. Sample Excluded Vehicles:
                    Porsche (all)
                    Datsun Z car 2+2
                    Honda CRX
                    JDM-spec cars
                    MGB GT
                    Triumph (all)

                    2.Super Street Modified(SSM):
                    a. All two-seat cars, including the types of cars listed above in
                    16.0.C.1.b, which are not excluded below
                    As you can see RHD cars being JDM spec are excluded from SM and go straight to SSM.

                    link to the rule book..page 111 http://scca.cdn.racersites.com/prod/...ated%205-1.pdf
                    88 multi colourd 323..
                    Dubbed "the junk" *retired*

                    88 323 GTX
                    *Sold *

                    92 V6 swapped 323
                    looks ugly/goes like stink!

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                    • #11
                      Re: Vehicle Classing for 2013 Canadian Autoslalom Championship Presented by Toyo Tire

                      Wow, I had no idea the SCCA made any provisions to class cars that were not offered for sale in North America. Cool.
                      Ryan

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                      • #12
                        Re: Vehicle Classing for 2013 Canadian Autoslalom Championship Presented by Toyo Tire

                        Actually upon further investigation, I have to disagree. The complete section in the SSM rules states:

                        2. Super Street Modified (SSM):
                        a. All two-seat cars, including the types of cars listed above in 16.0.C.1.b, which are not excluded below.
                        b. All SM eligible sedans/coupes excluded from SM for failure to meet weight requirements.
                        c. Excluded Vehicles: Lotus (all except Elise, Exige, Esprit), two-seat cars not eligible for the Street Prepared category.
                        d. Included vehicles: Porsche Carrera GT
                        Seems 16.0.C.2.a includes only two seaters excluded from SM but 16.0.C.2.c below it excludes two seaters not eligible for SP. This apparently was discussed elsewhere (in the US) and clarified with the SEB back in 2009.

                        I have no dog in this fight, I was actually looking because it might open the door to interesting SSM builds for us Canadians but it doesn't seem legal to me anymore.
                        Ryan

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                        • #13
                          Re: Vehicle Classing for 2013 Canadian Autoslalom Championship Presented by Toyo Tire

                          Interesting.....

                          We've always run our local events with JDM cars in SSM - I read it the same as Adam. Now that I read it closer I have to agree with Ryan.
                          Brian Hemming | 1990 Mazda Miata - CSP | 1993 Mazda MX6 - HS

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                          • #14
                            Re: Vehicle Classing for 2013 Canadian Autoslalom Championship Presented by Toyo Tire

                            Hi there,

                            I'm coming over from Victoria where I usually run in ESP with Street Tires (ST-ESP) with our club. I wanted to run in the Road Tire - RWD class seeing as I don't have r-comps, but don't know the outlines of the class, and if I need to switch it back to ESP.

                            1992 Mustang LX 5.0
                            3.73 rear end gears
                            Subframe Connectors
                            X-pipe
                            Flowmaster mufflers
                            Cobra R (16x8) rims with BFG Sport Comp 2's 245/45 16's
                            Stock Interior Carpet, Seats etc
                            Stock Engine including Air Box
                            Stock suspension and ride height

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                            • #15
                              Re: Vehicle Classing for 2013 Canadian Autoslalom Championship Presented by Toyo Tire

                              Originally posted by Ryan C View Post
                              Actually upon further investigation, I have to disagree. The complete section in the SSM rules states:



                              Seems 16.0.C.2.a includes only two seaters excluded from SM but 16.0.C.2.c below it excludes two seaters not eligible for SP. This apparently was discussed elsewhere (in the US) and clarified with the SEB back in 2009.

                              I have no dog in this fight, I was actually looking because it might open the door to interesting SSM builds for us Canadians but it doesn't seem legal to me anymore.
                              Locally we've always permitted JDM cars to run in SM or SSM because they've never really been all that competitive. If someone started winning in one, they'd probably have to be reclassed. Technically, I believe they should be classed in XP as per below:

                              Prepared Class X (XP)
                              XP vehicles must conform to the rules in Section 17 except as noted
                              herein. This class is for almost any production car using almost any
                              automotive drivetrain. Any vehicle meeting the requirements of 17.A.2,
                              listed in another Prepared class in Appendix A, specifically listed in CP,
                              DP, EP, FP, or GP that is not required to run at 17.11.A specified weights
                              or listed below is eligible for XP. 17.11.A does not apply. “In-excess”
                              cars per 17.11.A are not eligible for XP.
                              At the end of the day it's up the the competitor to class their car properly. If they are in the incorrect class they can be protested, however I believe this is unlikely unless someone is winning in a JDM car.
                              Richard Arienzale

                              2004 Honda S2000 - #156 BS
                              1995 Dodge Neon ChumpCar #28
                              2004 Mazda 3 DD

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