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    3.5.4. Grievance Procedures and Sportsmanship
    While the right to protest in proper cases is undoubted, it should be remembered that SoloSport events are sporting events, to be conducted in a sporting manner and that all events are organized by volunteers who cheerfully give of their time and do their best. Competitors should expect some imperfections of the organizers and fellow competitors and that, to a reasonable extent, these are part of the chances taken when entering a competition. Competitors are encouraged to discuss the problem with fellow competitors before lodging a formal protest. Inquiry, Protest, and Appeals procedures are outlined in the GCR’s.

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    I thought I'd post this one to remind everyone that although a National Championship maybe on the line, please keep it in perspective.

    In the recent weeks, I have been receiving inquiries about the rules and car prep. legalities. Most question are simply clarification requests, though there have been some where there are undertones of "Can I get away with..?" or "Would I be successful in protesting this or that?"

    OK, outright cheating will be appropriately penalized. But as the rule above states, please work things out w/ your competitors before going to event officials for further clarification. The last thing any competitor needs is to be blindsided by a protest for something that could've been an honest omission (and a readily fixable one) and the last thing officials want is a 'weenie' protest to process.

    While I understand that the CAC rules have their shortcomings, such shortcomings are not to be exploited for personal gain. It is the goal of the Stewarding team that winners/losers are determined first and foremost on the autoslalom course and not via paperwork and technicalities.
    Peter: Oh my god, Brian, there's a message in my Alphabits. It says, 'Oooooo.'
    Brian: Peter, those are Cheerios.

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    Re: Sportsmanship

    Cliff, excellent post.

    Over the years, I have filed one official protest locally at the B.C. Championship during my first rookie year. I also attempted to file a protest at SCCA's Nationals back in 2002. Both were resolved quickly and never made it to the stage where a decision had to be made by an official.

    I was also at SCCA's Nationals one year when a driver produced a fake letter from Honda USA stating that the differential ratio was part of an option available for his car. He was fined and was banned from competition for 3 years.

    I was also consulted by VCMC members ove the years at CAC regarding protestes filed (as well as considered filing). As the Chief Event Organizer for the 1991 CAC, I also handled a few offical protestes including one where the driver protested the event itself.

    If anyone is considering filing a protest this weekend, I highly suggest you talk to a person like Cliff, Alan Rae or myself prior to bringing out your pen and paper.

    For those of you who are always looking for a loop hole in the rule book. My comment has always been "...there is black and there is white. There is also grey, but grey is not another shade of white, it doesn't matter if it is dark grey or light grey, it's still not white...."

    Joe
    "...I recommend books. People who don't know what they're talking about are less likely to write a book about the subject...."

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    • #3
      Re: Sportsmanship

      ...thanks Joe.

      The other thing to keep in mind when settling a dispute is to always remember that the people you race with @ CAC will most likely be the people you race with on any other weekend. Keep things friendly as they are your fellow club members.
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      • #4
        Re: Sportsmanship

        Nice post.

        Wish there will not be another "helmet 1/2 inch over roll bar" protest.
        V67-GSR
        Retired from AutoX. Track is my new playground.

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        • #5
          Re: Sportsmanship

          Cliff,

          Just to clarify the spirit of what you're saying. When you talk about keeping things friendly and excercising sportsmanship, you mean for both the person questioning and the one being questioned.

          I wouldn't want anyone to misinterpret the words of an ASN rep and be afraid to excercise their right to question another competitor for fear of being labelled a weenie. As Joe says things are black and white, seems pretty hard to be a weenie when pointing out something that should be white is actually black?
          Jared Powell-Williams
          GTO #13

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          • #6
            Re: Sportsmanship

            The sportsmanship part is talking to the competitor, prior to filing an official protest. You may find it was ignorance of the rules and they are willing to fix it. Or you may find it is blatant cheating, and you need to formally protest.

            Some things that are protestable are not worth the time and ill will to make official. Someone running a 20 year old car is likely to be missing some piece of trim, and could be protested for illegal lightening (not worth the time). Missing the back seat in stock, probably worth the protest.
            Keith
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            • #7
              Re: Sportsmanship

              kudos to cliff, joe, vasco, and keith for pointing that out.
              though by the book its protestable, but if it doesnt really make a difference for performance(losing 5 ounce from the bracket at the very far back of the car will slow them down enough to drop out of trophy, whatever?!?!).
              though rules are rules....I dont want to start a thread after the event in every forum explaining how so and so lost to the other guy because he was missing a bolt on his taillight...
              in fact....we should start a post after the event with details of all the protest....so everyone know exactly what happen in impound...as opposed to in the past, it has to be passed on from so and so and so........

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              • #8
                Re: Sportsmanship

                Originally posted by jack112286 View Post
                kudos to cliff, joe, vasco, and keith for pointing that out.
                though by the book its protestable, but if it doesnt really make a difference for performance(losing 5 ounce from the bracket at the very far back of the car will slow them down enough to drop out of trophy, whatever?!?!).
                though rules are rules....I dont want to start a thread after the event in every forum explaining how so and so lost to the other guy because he was missing a bolt on his taillight...
                in fact....we should start a post after the event with details of all the protest....so everyone know exactly what happen in impound...as opposed to in the past, it has to be passed on from so and so and so........

                I guess you might not be there when this Protest of the Year 2004 happened. I’m not going to name anyone. What happened was that in 2004 BC Championship Day 1, leading driver of a class was protested by the 4th or 5th place driver. The protest was about the roll bar sit approx ½ inch lower than the highest point of the helmet. It was a convertible and the roll bar was place to the highest possible location before touching the soft/hard top. The driver himself was 6 foot tall. The protest went through and the leading driver missed the BC Champion title of the season.

                That’s the story. You be the one to judge if this protest was a good call or not, and did the protesting driver had what we call sportmanship.
                V67-GSR
                Retired from AutoX. Track is my new playground.

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