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**jtmcinder** · April 13, 2003, 17:32

With regard to your first set of runs, it could have been worse. You could have been working for the first run group, standing on the course for twenty minutes while they fought with the timer.

Thank goodness I have SWMBO, who sent me out with two sets of clothes.

And I have to say that I was very impressed with Jared P-W (from UBCSCC) who went and got his timing equipment and had it working by the third run group. That saved the day for me.

- Jtoby

ps. I'm starting to think I need to change my motto before I get banned from Boundary Bay

**Cary Lam** · April 13, 2003, 19:13

I drove Chris's car today. It was really hard to drive, specially with a lot of rain + some almost dead rear tires. I've driven some other friend's more close to stock Miata before, it was much easier to drive, and took me about 1/2 a track to get used to it. But Chirs's car is totally different. 1st run of the day, spun in the 2nd corner, spun again after the g-circle, spun again at the finish line! 2nd run, much better, only spun once in the crossover. Then we got a break, so I got a chance to sit down and think about it. 3rd run, finally didn't spin, but time wasn't too good. 4th run, started to get used to it a bit, and was able to push a bit in some area, and got my fastest time of the day..but still 3s off Chris's time. Too bad, we only had 4 runs...1st car out at almost 11:00am, course worker switchs took so long, I need more than 4 runs to get used his car. Before, I asked Chris, why he drives so smooth in GTR2002, but not in autox...now I know the answer, he does drive really smooth in autox too!

[ April 13, 2003, 11:16 PM: Message edited by: Cary Lam ]

**Race Miata** · April 13, 2003, 19:35

Sometimes it's nice to have a fast driver to test-drive my car. Since I'm so get used to driving around my own car's setup issues, it's not easy for myself to tell where exactly is a problem. My setup itself is not as far off as it seems today, but a single treadless super-wide right rear tire (the most tortured corner of the car at PRW track days) meeting 1"+ puddles mean super-hard to keep the back end where it should be.

**Cary Lam** · April 13, 2003, 19:53

haha...sorry, couldn't really help you much on that. I need more than four runs to get used to your car for sure, specially in the rain. You can predict your car so well, you can counter-steer as soon as you step on the gas, and before the car start to slide, but no more, no less. That's something I couldn't do yet...it's hard, but it's very fun to drive.

Yeah, now I think back, and I rememeber I spun 4 times, all 4 times are left turns...

[ April 14, 2003, 12:01 AM: Message edited by: Cary Lam ]

**Cary Lam** · April 13, 2003, 20:09

some more detail in here too.

http://www.sficc.net/cgi-bin/ikonboa...=ST;f=4;t=1192

**DM 00** · April 13, 2003, 20:21

I don't understand why we can only have 4 runs, we can have worker stand in the "sideways rain" for more than 20 mins for the timer to work, while we are not allow to use umbrella. But on the other hand, we can only have 2 runs in the afternoon when there is only some sprinkle, and end up finish at 3:30 when we started at 10:50? I don't see how this work, maybe I'm just not that smart.

I remember my first VCMC's event ( 3/9), very similiar situation, only not as cold today, we actuall got 8 runs that time. ok, Some might argue that there was less people, but 4 runs? end at 3:30?

for all those that make all the VCMC's event happen, THNAK YOU ! I appreciate what you've done

[ April 14, 2003, 12:24 AM: Message edited by: DM 00 ]

**fc-racer** · April 13, 2003, 21:32

Originally posted by DM 00:
I don't understand why we can only have 4 runs, we can have worker stand in the "sideways rain" for more than 20 mins for the timer to work, while we are not allow to use umbrella.

You weren't allowed to use an umbrella??? What is so special about Canadian umbrellas that they are not allowed on the course? I've raced in the USA at the Nationals and personally used an umbrella to keep the 40C+ sun from burning me out. With that level of heat, the umbrella was a true safety device.

At the US Nationals, they ran 1150 cars through two courses over the span of a week; I think that's a big enough sample size to conclusively determine that umbrellas are safe when used on course, whether it's in Canada or the USA.

**Cary Lam** · April 13, 2003, 21:35

like I said on sficc
"Today it rain so hard, very windy, but somehow we were not allowed to use umbrella! We've been using it for the whole winter in the UBC events, it was nice, no problem with it. Without an umbrella to block the rain + wind, of course we were all wet, but we couldn't even open our eyes to look at the cars on course, that was very dangerous!"

**Bengt Sumpgaard** · April 14, 2003, 05:13

Now the rain is BCMA's fault? We are sorry the deluge knocked out the timer, it hasn't seen that much rain either.Thanks to Paul Van Tassel for getting the UBC timer to use. Our timer had multiple start/stop, false start issues and while trying to fix it, it is possible we lost track of the people out on the course....

We are most probably not sorry for the number of people who left early after their runs and were not available to work their shift(s)....

After talking to a few of the folk who got soaked through, and who didn't really want to carry on, it occurred to me....this was a really shi--y wet day,morale was low as was the quantity of rain gear....

MOST importantly, lack of workers presented a real safety concern so tough decisions were made.

Now, for further adventures on the Wet Coast here......maybe we should ALL pack rain gear as rain DOES occur frequently.......

Thanks to those who stayed, sorry for the shortened event, but let's keep the political CRAP out of it...any other club would have got just as wet,had just as many electrical problems and better luck next time.

**Cary Lam** · April 14, 2003, 05:35

Originally posted by Bengt Sumpgaard:
Now the rain is BCMA's fault? We are sorry the deluge knocked out the timer, it hasn't seen that much rain either.Thanks to Paul Van Tassel for getting the UBC timer to use. Our timer had multiple start/stop, false start issues and while trying to fix it, it is possible we lost track of the people out on the course...

the Rain-->Timer problem only caused a 30 minute delay! It was NOT the major problem for the event.
Jared hasn't been orgainzing so many UBC events in the rain in the winter, he has so much experience and good at it, quick and fast decision made by him yesterday too, thanks! The weather in the last two VCMC club practices were not any better than that. They even have a lot more electronic, computer equipment, the no worker decision was made correctly, no problem either.
Don't just blame the weather.

.

[ April 14, 2003, 02:13 PM: Message edited by: Cary Lam ]

**Audi200tq** · April 14, 2003, 05:47

I really liked the course. Very flowing and a nice length. And a good combination of different elements.

To the person complaining about the number of runs: most people I talked to were cold and wet and wanted to go home after 4 runs. And the course was quite long, about 60s. Many 6-run events have only 40s courses. So your seat time ends up about the same.

**Cary Lam** · April 14, 2003, 05:58

Originally posted by Audi200tq:
To the person complaining about the number of runs: most people I talked to were cold and wet and wanted to go home after 4 runs.

So did I. WithOUT an unbrella!

like I posted on the sficc forum
"the course is only about 15s longer than usual...we had about 60 cars, and 4 runs... so it takes 15x60x4=3600 seconds. That = 1 hour more only." We could have 5 runs and went home earlier.

[ April 14, 2003, 10:01 AM: Message edited by: Cary Lam ]

**m nA6** · April 14, 2003, 06:23

well the course was alot of fun to run...

the rain might have been a factor y people wanted to go home...but i didnt think it was that bad...really wet and stuff...but it wasnt like the vcmc's race against the elements....

well in the beginning when they had to resort to using a stop watch...the competitivness went right out the window... i only knew at lunch that they were using a stopwatch and i was just

the people there were slightly rude and not as welcoming as the other clubs...
like the guy who was going to tech my car...
he asks me "do you need your car teched" and i say yes....and he says okay... so i go to the tent to grab a form i fill it out a bit then get back the guy was gone....didnt touch my car or anything... so i have to look for him and ask him again....and he was pretty rude and his attitude was like "i dont really want to tech your car"

...

i give them this course design was good...organization was a bit bad... my uncle always tells me...if u see someone do something more efficent or does it better then you, learn from him/them....

**JPW** · April 14, 2003, 08:31

I didn't know I looked soo much like Paul

-Jared

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