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  • #16
    Take it easy...it's a family show here I usually just fall asleep when it's over.

    [This message has been edited by Cliffy (edited 08-15-2001).]

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Phantom:
      My next A-Mod car will be called the Virgin Special

      Joe
      You sure? How many drivers have been "de-virginized" by the Phantom... could qualify to be on the list with that other profession.. y'know.

      Interesting how Katie Kelly quoted you as saying the car is benign... and here everyone is saying it's way more intense. Guess development and evolution has stepped up a notch since the article.

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      • #18
        Jeff,

        The driving experience was intense. The behavior of the car is very benign. What do I mean by that? The g-loading, acceleration, braking, transition response is above what most people are used to and because things happen so fast, you really need to work to visually and physically keep ahead of the car. The car's response and handling however was quite benign. You could be quite violent with the wheel and the car responds without overshooting. The back end was planted at all times during corner entry which made it easy to drive and when the back end comes out in corner exit, it was very easy to catch. I could never hit the slalom right though because I think my steering inputs were too slow. My Swift feels like a nervous go-kart in comparison to the Phantom.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by alex chiu:
          My Swift feels like a nervous go-kart in comparison to the Phantom.
          Having driven both your Swift and the Phantom I would say that the scale of 'nervousness' ranks like this:

          125cc shifter kart
          100cc clutch kart
          Swift
          Phantom
          a well setup SP car
          regular production car

          -c.

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          • #20
            I admit that I have never driven a shifter kart. I have driven a clutch kart. I also drove Rod's Cobra this last weekend and I would rank it above the clutch kart. I don't know how he does it but I like to know if he has driven some of the other members' cars (preferably a well dialed in one) so that he can have a comparison as reference.

            Rod, are you out there???

            Joe
            "...I recommend books. People who don't know what they're talking about are less likely to write a book about the subject...."

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Cliffy:
              Actually driving the Phantom is like being shot out of the barrel of a high powered rifle....that's how cones look like when you are at full speed in the Phantom. Don't blink or you'll miss everything.
              It's funny because I found the Phantom to be fast, but not so fast that it couldn't use another 50hp. In fact, going down one of the straight sections, I remember thinking that another 50hp or so would be good right about now because the car had so much traction.

              Even going through some offsets, I recall thinking that it could use more power. The only time I felt that the car had too much power was coming out of corners, but then I was driving a bit too lead-footed out of the corners so that was me and not the car.

              The aspect I really liked about the car that was above and beyond anything I've felt was the braking. My bike ranks a close second for response, but I remember the Phantom slowing down far faster than I expected and as you know, I usually expect more than the vehicle can deliver.

              Farz

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              • #22
                Originally posted by fc-racer:
                It's funny because I found the Phantom to be fast, but not so fast that it couldn't use another 50hp.
                Obviously, I haven't driven the Phantom to be eligible to say whether that's true or not. But from my experience, most of the times I want more power in a car on an autox course are because:

                1. of those BCMA courses back then with a tight 90-deg turn followed by a wide open straight for the domestic V8s to drift out,

                2. the car doesn't handle in the corner so can't keep momentum onto the straight,

                3. gearing is so bad that the engine bogs,

                4. I blew the corner so I want more power to make up,


                I don't think any of 1 to 3 applies to the Phantom, so...

                (have nomex on and ready... )

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                • #23
                  [QUOTE]Originally posted by fc-racer:

                  The only time I felt that the car had too much power was coming out of corners, but then I was driving a bit too lead-footed out of the corners so that was me and not the car.


                  It was the car. The rear wing was too low at that time (trying a new set up ). Lost a lot of rear down force because it was in dirty air. Raised it back up after your test drive and the rear never got wild at corner exit any more.

                  Joe

                  "...I recommend books. People who don't know what they're talking about are less likely to write a book about the subject...."

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                  • #24

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                    My bike ranks a close second for response, but I remember the Phantom slowing down far faster Farz

                    Hey Farz, I think the Phantom stops faster than our bikes, right? It doesn't have the "dive" on hard braking like bikes. But still, I think bike accelerates quicker and the corning is way more exciting and challenging because you might fall while in a car you just "donut".

                    pm

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                    • #25
                      Mr Donut King,

                      What, you never did a donut on the bike yet? We sure miss seeing your A+ donuts, you make it look like it was part of the course and it never adds much time to your runs. The only time I donut (that I can remember) was the last time I co-drove your S-7 at Kent, but novice donuter like me stalled it in shame at the first turn after the start lights, then couldn't find the darn ignition switch underneath with helmet on. Yep DFL.


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