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    Mr Donut King,

    What, you never did a donut on the bike yet? We sure miss seeing your A+ donuts, you make it look like it was part of the course and it never adds much time to your runs. The only time I donut (that I can remember) was the last time I co-drove your S-7 at Kent, but novice donuter like me stalled it in shame at the first turn after the start lights, then couldn't find the darn ignition switch underneath with helmet on. Yep DFL.


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    My bike ranks a close second for response, but I remember the Phantom slowing down far faster Farz

    Hey Farz, I think the Phantom stops faster than our bikes, right? It doesn't have the "dive" on hard braking like bikes. But still, I think bike accelerates quicker and the corning is way more exciting and challenging because you might fall while in a car you just "donut".

    pm

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  • Phantom
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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by fc-racer:

    The only time I felt that the car had too much power was coming out of corners, but then I was driving a bit too lead-footed out of the corners so that was me and not the car.


    It was the car. The rear wing was too low at that time (trying a new set up ). Lost a lot of rear down force because it was in dirty air. Raised it back up after your test drive and the rear never got wild at corner exit any more.

    Joe

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  • Race Miata
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    Originally posted by fc-racer:
    It's funny because I found the Phantom to be fast, but not so fast that it couldn't use another 50hp.
    Obviously, I haven't driven the Phantom to be eligible to say whether that's true or not. But from my experience, most of the times I want more power in a car on an autox course are because:

    1. of those BCMA courses back then with a tight 90-deg turn followed by a wide open straight for the domestic V8s to drift out,

    2. the car doesn't handle in the corner so can't keep momentum onto the straight,

    3. gearing is so bad that the engine bogs,

    4. I blew the corner so I want more power to make up,


    I don't think any of 1 to 3 applies to the Phantom, so...

    (have nomex on and ready... )

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  • fc-racer
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    Originally posted by Cliffy:
    Actually driving the Phantom is like being shot out of the barrel of a high powered rifle....that's how cones look like when you are at full speed in the Phantom. Don't blink or you'll miss everything.
    It's funny because I found the Phantom to be fast, but not so fast that it couldn't use another 50hp. In fact, going down one of the straight sections, I remember thinking that another 50hp or so would be good right about now because the car had so much traction.

    Even going through some offsets, I recall thinking that it could use more power. The only time I felt that the car had too much power was coming out of corners, but then I was driving a bit too lead-footed out of the corners so that was me and not the car.

    The aspect I really liked about the car that was above and beyond anything I've felt was the braking. My bike ranks a close second for response, but I remember the Phantom slowing down far faster than I expected and as you know, I usually expect more than the vehicle can deliver.

    Farz

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    Talon: 12.194 @ 118mph / 944TS: 13.811 @ 104mph

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  • Phantom
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    I admit that I have never driven a shifter kart. I have driven a clutch kart. I also drove Rod's Cobra this last weekend and I would rank it above the clutch kart. I don't know how he does it but I like to know if he has driven some of the other members' cars (preferably a well dialed in one) so that he can have a comparison as reference.

    Rod, are you out there???

    Joe

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    Originally posted by alex chiu:
    My Swift feels like a nervous go-kart in comparison to the Phantom.
    Having driven both your Swift and the Phantom I would say that the scale of 'nervousness' ranks like this:

    125cc shifter kart
    100cc clutch kart
    Swift
    Phantom
    a well setup SP car
    regular production car

    -c.

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  • alex chiu
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    Jeff,

    The driving experience was intense. The behavior of the car is very benign. What do I mean by that? The g-loading, acceleration, braking, transition response is above what most people are used to and because things happen so fast, you really need to work to visually and physically keep ahead of the car. The car's response and handling however was quite benign. You could be quite violent with the wheel and the car responds without overshooting. The back end was planted at all times during corner entry which made it easy to drive and when the back end comes out in corner exit, it was very easy to catch. I could never hit the slalom right though because I think my steering inputs were too slow. My Swift feels like a nervous go-kart in comparison to the Phantom.

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    Originally posted by Phantom:
    My next A-Mod car will be called the Virgin Special

    Joe
    You sure? How many drivers have been "de-virginized" by the Phantom... could qualify to be on the list with that other profession.. y'know.

    Interesting how Katie Kelly quoted you as saying the car is benign... and here everyone is saying it's way more intense. Guess development and evolution has stepped up a notch since the article.

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    Take it easy...it's a family show here I usually just fall asleep when it's over.

    [This message has been edited by Cliffy (edited 08-15-2001).]

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  • Race Miata
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    Originally posted by Cliffy:
    Geez, I sure hope that it took longer than 33 sec. though.
    No, I didn't mean the duration part. But before driving the Phantom the very first time, you must be very nervous of how it feels like at first. When you get on it, you just "squeeze deeper and deeper" and "turn faster and faster" as Rob suggested. And it gets so intense that "before I knew it was in the stop box". Oh! Also, don't forget he mentioned "It's been a few days and I still can't get that ... out of my head." The more you think about it, the more you want to do it again! Doesn't that remind you of something?

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  • Phantom
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    My next A-Mod car will be called the Virgin Special

    Joe

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    Originally posted by Race Miata:
    I remember someone said having driven a super fast car like the Phantom is like losing virginity.
    Geez, I sure hope that it took longer than 33 sec. though.

    Actually driving the Phantom is like being shot out of the barrel of a high powered rifle. Remember when (and I'm showing my age here) you first saw the original Star Wars in the theatres? When the space ship made the jump to light speed and the stars on screen shot towards you...that's how cones look like when you are at full speed in the Phantom. Don't blink or you'll miss everything.

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    Originally posted by Race Miata:
    I remember someone said having driven a super fast car like the Phantom is like losing virginity. Rob, you have that feel?
    Well, I can't say its like that, but its been awhile since I had my hands and legs shaking after a run. Before the runs I kept asking Alex about how you steer this car, like do you take your hands off and feed the wheel, and whether having your elbows being snugged in would limit your arm movements. It just felt like I wouldn't be able to turn the wheel in such a confined space. Alex said "gees, I don't remember". After 2 runs, I'm thinking back and "I can't remember either how I turned the steering". All my focus was like Alex trying to keep ahead of the car and getting through the course.

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    Part of finding out what does work is finding out what doesn't.

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